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The Lake at the North Pole, How Bad Is It?

The pictures are dramatic — a camera at the North Pole Environmental Observatory, sitting in the middle of what appears to be either a lake or open ocean, at the height of the summer sea ice melt season. Set against the backdrop of the precipitous decline in sea ice cover in recent decades due in large part to global warming, this would seem to be yet another alarming sign of Arctic climate change.

Image from one of the North Pole Environmental Observatory webcams, taken on Thursday, July 25.
Credit: NSF's North Pole Environmental Observatory.

These images have attracted media attention, such as this AtlanticWire post and this Daily Mail story, both of which portray the images as potential signs of an intensifying Arctic meltdown.

But before concluding that Arctic climate change has entered an even more ominous phase, it’s important to examine the context behind these images.

First, the cameras in question, which are attached to instruments that scientists have deposited on the sea ice at the start of each spring since 2002, may have “North Pole” in their name, but they are no longer located at the North Pole. In fact, as this map below shows, they have drifted well south of the North Pole, since they sit atop sea ice floes that move along with ocean currents. Currently, the waterlogged camera is near the prime meridian, at 85 degrees north latitude.

Annotated map showing the location of the North Pole and the location of the buoys with the webcams.
Credit: NSF's North Pole Environmental Observatory.

“It’s moved away from the North Pole region and it will eventually exit Fram Strait,” said Mark Serreze, the director of the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) in Boulder, Colo., in an interview. Fram Strait lies between Greenland and Norway, and is one of the main routes for sea ice to get flushed out of the Arctic Ocean.

The second thing to keep in mind is that melting sea ice at or near the North Pole is actually not a rare event. Observations from the webcams dating back to 2002, and from satellite imagery and nuclear-powered submarines that have explored the ice cover since the Cold War era dating back several decades, show that sea ice around the North Pole has formed melt ponds, and even areas of open water, several times in the past.

The webcam depicting what seems like open water is most likely “just sitting in a big melt pond” that has formed on top of the sea ice cover, Serreze said. This melt pond started forming around July 10, and is likely close to its peak depth and extent. The occurrence of a melt pond at or near the North Pole is “just not that unusual,” Serreze said, and is even less rare at a more southern location such as where the camera is now.

“The whole Arctic sea ice cover does show melt during summer even at the North Pole,” he said, speaking of a typical melt season.

Serreze said it’s usually possible to walk through these melt ponds with hip boot waders on, as opposed to having to swim, since there is ice underneath the meltwater.


Video of images taken by the North Pole Environmental Observatory webcam during the 2013 melt season. (The pond starts to appear at 1:25.)

James Overland, a researcher at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, told Climate Central in an email that the melt pond does seem unusually large compared to what is typically observed in a melt season, though. “We have extensive melt ponds every year, but I do not remember such an extensive lake in previous years. The lake is more a product of how the ice was configured earlier in the year,” he said.

Walt Meier, a research scientist at the NSIDC, said the lake's apparently large size may be the result of snowfall totals this winter and other factors. "The pool seems rather larger than normal, but that could likely be simply due to factors other than the temperature: how much snow fell on the area over the winter (more winter snow = more melted snow), the topography of the ice (little hills and valleys in the ice causing the water to pool in certain regions), etc.," Meier said in an email. 

Arctic sea ice cover has been rapidly shrinking and thinning since the start of satellite observations in 1979. Last year, sea ice extent and volume plunged to a record low. When the melt season finally ended in late September, the Arctic Ocean managed to hold onto less than half of the average sea ice extent seen during the 1979-to-2000 period.

The past six years have had the six smallest sea ice extents since 1979, indicating that the ice has not recovered from the previous record low in 2007. Researchers attribute this to the loss of thicker multiyear ice, which has been replaced by thinner ice that forms in the fall and melts in the spring and summer.

Serreze said the thinness of the ice cover has made it much more susceptible to weather patterns that promote ice transport and melting. So far this summer, sea ice extent has tracked above that of 2012, with a slow rate of ice melt in June followed by much more rapid melting during the first three weeks of July after weather patterns became more favorable for melting, Serreze said.

“I would be extremely surprised if we were not” well below average come September, Serreze said, but the prospect of setting another record low “depends on the vagaries of the weather, and we just can’t predict that.”

Comments

By Matt Maschinot (Austin, TX)
on July 26th, 2013

Very dramatic story, why not include how the USS Skate (SSN-578) was even able to surface at the North Pole?  What could more dramatically underscore how the ice melts at the Pole, than to show how a submarine is able to surface there!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Skate_(SSN-578)

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By JOHN PULAWSKI (WELLFLEET, MA 02667)
on August 20th, 2014

  Submarines have been breaking through the Arctic Ice since the 1950’s. What point are you attempting to make? The fast attack nuclear submarine that I served on broke through the polar ice in the early eighties. Sub’s used to have to spend days looking for ice that was 3-4 feet thick. Now it takes no time at all to find ice thin enough to surface through.

  The ice has been getting progressively thinner since the mid seventies.

  The “Northwest Passage”, once considered a myth, is now a reality in the summer months. Ships can now navigate above Canada from the Atlantic to the Pacific! However, these ships must be careful due to the numerous large chunks of melting ice, but until six years ago this was not possible.

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By Freemon Sandlewould
on July 26th, 2013

Or it could just be what we call SUMMER.  Global warming is a scam and a hoax.  Please disregard it and locate your attentions on real problems of real people of which there are many in this world.

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By Bill Tronson (Billings/Mt/59102)
on July 26th, 2013

Gosh isn’t that interesting, the Earth has not warmed one degree in the last ten to twelve years and still the Polar ice cap is melting. I’d better consult the noted scientist Al Gore and get his fix on it. He did receive a Nobel Prize by the way.

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By Ron
on June 29th, 2014

Interesting point.  If heat is going toward warming the ocean and melting ice rather than heating other parts of the earth, that could explain the slower rise of surface temperatures.

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By Nick Shaw
on July 26th, 2013

C’mon! A lake at the North Pole? Like it’s an uncommon occurrence?
How about the one in 1958 or the one in 1987?
http://patriotpost.us/opinion/14736

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By apb
on July 26th, 2013

Oh noes!  Melting ice!  It’s never been like this before because…James Overland doesn’t remember it !

The big experiment is coming - to see if the vagaries of the sun have any impact of the vagaries of weather.

http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/predict.shtml

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By Shredder
on July 26th, 2013

What about the South Pole?

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By GottaBe
on July 26th, 2013

No sure how but I am guessing this is Obama’s fault.

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By JBSPuddintane
on July 26th, 2013

Next there will be palm trees in the picture.
What don’t climate-changers get about not messing with data in order to be taken seriously?

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By Philistine
on July 26th, 2013

So does anyone want to acknowledge that sailing ships have reported this? I mean, like hundreds of years ago. This whole phenomenon, that of “global fooling” really depends on humans to be gullible, and so self centered they think this generation invented Time.

We did not invent Time and things have been warmer in the past. It’s just that articles like this ignore well documented history as if it never happened.

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By nero (texas)
on January 17th, 2014

Where can i find info on ships finding mass lakes at the north pole.

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By JOEL GOODMAN (PALM BEACH GARDENS)
on July 26th, 2013

the sea ice has retread constantly for the past 100m years. During the end of the Ice Age the retreat began and there were no men nor any SUV’s or any industry in the world.. How do you rationalize that?

Man caused global warming is bullshit to the nth degree.

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By Not gullible (USA)
on July 26th, 2013

It is summer in the northern hemisphere. Duh!!

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By Leonard M. Urban (Albuquerque)
on July 26th, 2013

Explorers early in the last century documented the fact that every spring, hundreds of miles of ice melt away from the edges of the polar icecaps every year. In Autumn, it all refreezes. Ships had to get to the coast before the freeze, or be caught in the ice, and crushed. A fascinating book documenting three expeditions of Sir Ernest Shackleton to the South pole, entitled “South”, makes if clear that this is an annual event, and has nothing to do with the fantasy of “Global Warming”.  There is even fossil evidence that the north and south poles didn’t always have ice…

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By Mike
on July 26th, 2013

Such crazy scaremongering on regular news is despicable:
“the PRECIPITOUS decline in sea ice “
“An INTENSIFYING Arctic MELTDOWN”

And inexplicably this happens despite the fact that the world’s temperature has DROPPED over the past 12 years.

As was thankfully reported here- “The lake [size] is more a product of how the ice was configured earlier in the year”

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By Ivan Drago
on July 26th, 2013

Paranoia.

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By ONTIME (VACA/CA)
on July 26th, 2013

There are plenty of core samples on hand to track artic history and climate, the russkies scientist are claiming that another ice age is in the making while we hear loonies like algore who hasn’t a clear concept of what he speaks of claim gobal warming by the use of doctored models and poor scientific fact…..I am betting Ma Nature will do whatever she wants and mankind is just going to have to hang on…..

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By Disgusted (His Presence, AZ 777777)
on July 26th, 2013

Let’s cherry pick data, statistics and events to make a lawyer’s case for what we choose to believe.  Forget about viewing and rightly dividing all of the facts.  Blindness is running rampant and it probably is opposite of what you believe.

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By JohnG911
on July 26th, 2013

The north pole is floating ice and its always changing. The south pole is growing yet the media seems to over look that fact.

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By Ola auer (Red hook, ny, 12571)
on July 26th, 2013

More global warming nonsense from the idiots on the left.  The truth is, you can’t get an honest, un-biased assessment from these people.  With them it’s all politics, all the time.  And, to boot, they lie through their rotten teeth.  It’s all smoke and mirrors.

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By Eric Thatcher (90026)
on July 26th, 2013

yet Antarctic sea ice is thicker then ever???? is there a connection.

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By Bud (O'vale. CA 95662)
on July 26th, 2013

News flash its summer ice melts and in the winner it freezes however if everyone would stop hiding there subs under the ice the penguins might come back.

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By Debi Winge (Fishtail/MT/59028)
on July 26th, 2013

Interested.  Thanks

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By Dave Norby (DeForest, WI 53532)
on July 26th, 2013

Why don’t we hear anything about the Antarctic?  If both poles are melting equally then I would be more inclined to be concerned.

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By Dwight E. Howelld
on July 26th, 2013

There are old pictures showing nuclear subs from my youth at the North pole and at best a little drifting ice. This is open ocean and not having ice there is not a shocker.

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By Phil Ryder (Lexington/SC/29072)
on July 26th, 2013

Didnt Admiral Byrd or Perry while first exploring that region many years ago find an open ” lake” or warm body of water but at the time it was kept secret by the leading scientific authorities at the time?

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By Thomas Austin (Jacksonville, NC, USA)
on July 26th, 2013

Did I miss it or did the report fail to mention that the SOUTH POLE is growing in size?

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By kestrel27 (Billings, MT 59101)
on July 26th, 2013

Sure it is. Ask those British enviro clowns that did a trip to the North Pole a couple of years ago to prove global warming…and almost froze to death. What is it with Liberals and global warming. Like what, there aren’t other problems to deal with? Oh, that’s right, George Zimmerman was found “Not Guilty” so they ‘re back to their usual idiocy.

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By ron giamboi (franklin square ny 11010)
on July 26th, 2013

you can’t accurately predict weather day to day, but you can without doubt, state, what will happen in the next 10, 20, 30…..yrs!!??  Amazing.!! Too   hot,  man
made global warming!! Too
cold, man made global warming!!!  Too
extream, not extream enough, to dry, to wet…....  man made global warming. The forcast for Fri, 7/26/13 was for heavy rains. It was a perfect day!!  But you “know"what will happen in the next 10, 20, 30…... yrs???!!  NO! I don’t think so!!  Are you still following the statiststacts from the U of East
Anglea??  U know… “The Harvard of Climatology”. The U that fake the numbers. You can’t explain why temperatures have remained constant over the last 10 yrs! So you state that the deep oceans are absorbing more heat!!  Then you state that the Aritic is
a ticking time bomb!! Ready to realease a gaziilion/ trillion/ billion tons of methane that will cost a gazillion / trillion / billion $S in economic damage to the economy!!???  STOP!! Your killing me!!  Follow the money.  Who gets the grants? Who gets the government funding?Man made global warming proponants, or man made global warming doubters??
July 26th. Not a singal tropical storm / hurricane. Must be man made global warming!!  Now you A holes claim that M M G warming is on hold!!  But don’t be fooled. It will return with a vengance. Stronger than ever. Just wait a few yrs. Or decades. Or centuries…..........  What caused the end of the ice age 10,000 yrs ago? Too many camp fires??

 

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By temp
on July 26th, 2013

“Arctic sea ice cover has been rapidly shrinking and thinning since the start of satellite observations in 1979. Last year, sea ice extent and volume plunged to a record low. When the melt season finally ended in late September, the Arctic Ocean managed to hold onto less than half of the average sea ice extent seen during the 1979-to-2000 period.”

This is a very very poor statement. First Sat records go back into the early 70s. You can find these records used in many papers as well as include in the UN IPCC reports.  Which can be found here http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/far/wg_I/ipcc_far_wg_I_full_report.pdf

You’ll note that record high arctic ice was seen in the record and that during this time(1976-1979) help enforce the belief/panic of global cooling. Also note the massive swings which show as much as +0.8 one year then -0.8 the next. This can be seen in the graph on page 224. Also of note is the south pole ice… which under natural events is nearly always of inverse of the north pole. If one is following current research then one would know that south pole sea ice has been holding or increasing in recent years. This is of course proof of natural cycles holding firm. It is also proof of the huge failure of models as ALL models predict a reduced north and south pole sea ice.

You’ll also note that sea ice is no where near the record lows of the early 1970s. We need to lose a lot more sea ice before it could even remotely be considered an issue worth talking about…. at least by sane and rational people anyway.

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By Mark (Portland, OR 97214)
on July 26th, 2013

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/climategate.php

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By Tom (Carp/CA/93101)
on July 26th, 2013

Since were in the final stage of the interglacial cycle, what exactly would
you expect in terms of the global mean temperature as depicted in
collections of ice at the poles?

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By JC (Pasco/WA/99301)
on July 26th, 2013

The question remains unanswered:  What caused the global warming that melted off the last great Ice Age when Man had no significant impact on the climate? And how do we know the same natural cycle of climate change isn’t occurring now independent of man’s impact or even his existence?

If climate change now IS related to Man’s impact on the environment, then aren’t we talking about world population growth as the cause, and if so, shouldn’t we be talking about reducing population growth rather than addressing climate change as a symptom?

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By JP (Lewisville, nc 27023)
on July 26th, 2013

Sure the arctic is melting, the earths axis is on a wobble, this happens every 12,000 years or so… why is no one reporting on the record Antarctic ice increase???

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By bill berke (arlington 22205)
on July 26th, 2013

  By GottaBe
    on July 26th, 2013
  ” No sure how but I am guessing this is Obama’s fault.”

You haven’t been paying attention for the last 5 years.  It’s GW bush"s fault.

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By Patrick O'Flaherty (Delaware, Ohio)
on July 26th, 2013

Sorry, guys…if you do not believe in Global Warming you have fossil fuel interests or you have very few math skills. And you probably have what is termed a myopic view where you only see what is happening in your corner of the world.

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By Eric (Boston, MA 02119)
on July 26th, 2013

Relax people… the polar ice caps come and go. Always have, always will.

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By Lancers3 (Monument)
on July 26th, 2013

The ‘consensus’ of anyone who has taken the time to read and understand the data compiled by scientists not vested in the outcome of this canard is ZZZZZZZzzzzzzz.

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By Milo (Aurora/CO/80134)
on July 26th, 2013

The article seems to confirm that the Arctic lake is a normal event and that “global warming is a hoax. Where are all of the mentions of the ice mass of Antarctica expanding? Al Gore got rich exploiting the gullibility of the sheeple.

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By Victor Laszlo (Amherst, MA 01002)
on July 26th, 2013

GottaBe said:

“No sure how but I am guessing this is Obama’s fault.”

No, it’s Bush’s fault, silly. Everything is Bush’s fault. I can’t understand how you could forget that, after all, its been the prime directive since 2000. I know! You must be logged out at HuffPo, Dailykos, and Media Matters and forgotten to renew your subscriptions to all the major newspapers and news magazines, and your TV must be on the blink, because IBF (It’s Bush’s Fault) is practiced daily from those entities, if not every hour on the hour. And on a good day, minute by minute.

Dude, you’re unplugged! Plug in, plug in!

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By ED (La Habra Ca 90631)
on July 26th, 2013

They don’t really care about the ice.  They just need an excuse to take your income and give it to the liberal governments in Europe and America.

We had the same thing when the ice sheets were growing.  Then they said global cooling was the threat.

As my mom used to say….It’s not the heat…its the humidity.  Any word on global humidity trends?

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By senah ( )
on July 26th, 2013

Okay, I see the thing is tethered to a pole and it’s on a float-able device so it won’t sink. Looks as if this a normal occurrence to me. Another story about nothing.

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By C2ShiniingC
on July 26th, 2013

Something is very strange about the “animation”.  Looks like surface melt with markers still anchored in the ice below.  Then the last few frames show that the entire area has re-frozen with a completely different wind pattern than that at the beginning of the animation. It would have made more sense with time stamps on the frames used.  How did it get cold enough to re-freeze during the Summer when the sun is shining 24 hours a day?

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By Deborah Oliphant (Hagerstown, MD)
on July 26th, 2013

Has anyone noticed all those fissures and volcanic steam/lava vents beneath the polar ice cap?

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By Myron ?Wenner (Palm Harbor FL 34683)
on July 26th, 2013

Did you notice to the right on the page there are 3 stories that start with the word EXTREME WEATHER? Really? Did any of you live for oh lets say 50 + years yet? Did you like me get ripped out of your dinner table to run for cover as a tornado sliced through our farm in 1960. Or the horrible winter of 1968? Or if you look lots of EXTREME weather which is why SD has no trees? Good god kids, get outside and see the real forces of nature sometime. Global warming is a fart in the wind of time,

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By ManOnPoint (Tampa, FL, 33620)
on July 26th, 2013

And the Antartic Ice Shield is advancing by 3 meters a year…Is there a point to this story??? Global Warming is a scam!!! A 1 degree change in average temperature in 100 years could be due to incorrect measurement readings or errors associated with ANY experimental process. If they would take random samples of temperatures worldwide then from a statistical perspective the process might be considered reliable. Otherwise, they are not credible.

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By azratt (phx az )
on July 26th, 2013

I smell a Assault rifle ban coming…again…..and again…

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By Cal (Monrovia, CA 91016)
on July 26th, 2013

Okay, so let’s see if I can explain this to the world and Algore. Take a saucepan, fill it with ice, set it on a stove and turn the burner under it on as low as you can. Come back in two hours and see what happens. Now, my friends, this is what is happening to the North Pole. It isn’t climate change, it’s the fire under the ice!

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/06/080626-arctic-volcano.html

Notice too, NOT FoxNews.

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By Jason (Springfield/MO/65804)
on July 26th, 2013

I cannot describe how happy I am to finally see some scientifically-literate people start speaking up about how ridiculous this scam is.  Make sure to remember it when it comes time to vote!

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By Andy P (boston, ma 02131)
on July 26th, 2013

In the summer . . . . imagine that.

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By William Ripskull (43035)
on July 27th, 2013

OMG… this proves global warming is real. Of course had the ice been at its thickest in a century, that would prove it too (er, not Global Warming, but Climate Change). And if nothing had happened at all for 20 years, then it would just be a temporary pause in what is otherwise incontrovertible evidence of long term Global Warming. The earth would be a much better place if it was under a solid sheet of ice.

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By Phunky
on July 27th, 2013

Well, looks like yet ANOTHER “Man Made Disaster” eh? Just like HUMANS caused the Ice Age? Or maybe we caused the Ice Age to end? Who knows, go ask Al Gore, he’s the one started this hoax.

Our Earth cycles back and forth all the time. At one time, this entire planet was tropical, and others most of it covered in ice. We’ve seen these swings even as close to modern times as Medieval Times we’ve had mini ice ages, heck, during the American Revolution we were in colder times. We much have caused that, too I would suspect. No matter, keep putting it out there as anti-everything propaganda. Evil humans, HOW DARE WE EXIST!!! Pfft.

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By Mark DeGeorge (Milwaukee, WI)
on July 27th, 2013

I live by Lake Michigan which at one time happened to be a giant ice cube. Please explain how that giant ice cube melted into a great lake without the help of man (made global warming).. It can’t be possible.

Al Gore made millions of dollars claiming that the polar ice would melt soon and flood all coastal areas. So why does he buy a 9 million dollar home ON THE COAST? I call bullshit

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By Marc M
on July 27th, 2013

What a joke…  the planet has cooled over he last 13 years… I notice you don’t talk about that.

Not to mention the fact the planet has been hotter than it is now, even ice free, in its history when man didn’t exist…

But hey, you need that grant money, right?

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By Anna Keppa
on July 27th, 2013

*  The first poster should have noted that the submarine USS Skate surfaced at the North Pole in the summer of….wait for it….. 1959.

*  Anyone wanting to see how the Arctic ice is doing day-by-day can go here:

  http://wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/sea-ice-page/

  You’ll see that nothing unusual is going on.  This year’s sea ice extent is greater than last, not less.

*  @Patrick O’Flaherty (Delaware, Ohio)

The math skills of the many scientists who post at wattsupwiththat.com are very well developed indeed, sirrah.  You need to remember that the guy who gutted the infamous Hockey Stick, Stephen Macintyre is himself a statistician.

As for the oil/gas thing:  you apparently never noticed how many oil companies got on the “green” bandwagon.  In point of fact, the amount of government money spent to support the “greens” dwarfs by a factor of one hundred that spent by oil companies. 

If bad math is behind the “deniers”, then why didn’t Stockholm succeed, or Joburg, or Rio or wherever else all the green weenies have gathered to push their agenda?  Why did Japan and all the other Kyoto signatories not renew it?

 

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By Destructivepolitics (Fort Lauderdale fl 33304)
on July 27th, 2013

How do we know there is supposed to be ice there? Aren’t we coming out of a nice age? According to scientists, NYC was under 1 mile sheet of ice over 10,000 years ago.  If these scientists were alive back then, would they be saying we are cusing global warming? 

Humans have ZERO affect on the climate. The earth is over 4 billion years old, ice will form and ice will melt, nothing to do with human behavior. 

governments use climate to create carbon taxes!!! 

Btw, if you want to know what does cuse global climate change read about volcanos, they are the real reason we get extreme weather.

Read DESTRUCTIVEPOLITICS

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By Charlie Sheen (Los Angeles, CA 90205)
on July 27th, 2013

Take a deep breath and tell yourself there are a lot of scientists who will say anything to keep their funding going strong.  Many of them are being pressured to say the sky is falling, or in this case, the polar ice cap in the Arctic Sea/Ocean is melting so that politicians can promote taxation on breathing and everything else under the sun.

It doesn’t seem to matter to them that the polar ice sheet has been setting records for being larger than ever over the past few years.  I was amazed last year when I read two then current articles on the polar ice, one of them argued the ice sheet was small in one area and must be due to global warming and the other described how the ice sheet had reached all the way to the Aleutian Islands setting records. So which is it.  Well since global temperatures have not risen in 12 years it’s hard to claim warming. We also are finding out these warming and cooling trends have happened forever and have nothing to do with man.  I was at NASA back in 1992 when the talk was all about the sun and how it was heating up ,“like never before seen”, well at least for us “modern” folks.  They said all the planets in the solar system were being affected and warming considerably higher than we had ever seen.  It’s funny how we never heard much about this number one reason why the Earth might be heating up.  All I say is I have serious doubts we could warm up the earth. We can toss poisons around where they don’t belong, but that has nothing to do with carbon dioxide and the claim that I can be taxed for breathing and thus contributing to global warming. Al Gore might have invented the Internet, but he sure can’t stop it from spreading the truth. He can take his Carbon Tax and put it where the sun don’t shine.

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By E Gerber (Gilroy/CA/95020)
on July 27th, 2013

It freaks me our that all the comments are from climate change skeptics. Seems like someone is systematically trying to confuse people.

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By Weatherhappens (Cape Town, South Africa)
on July 27th, 2013

Given that satellite coverage only began when it started warming up after 40 years of cold that led many to cry “Next Ice Age”, the article above is meaningless. With only 34 years of data, which began on a new cycle, it doesn’t mean a thing until you have 100 or 200 years of data and even that would be incomplete. Based on the complexities and multivariate contributions of climate a melting Arctic could be attributed to any number of causes to include change in ocean oscillation patterns, wind etc . Recent climate history indicates it has melted before. It is noteworthy they don’t harp as much about Antarctica and its record amounts of ice.

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By James Hogan (Superior, WI 54880)
on July 27th, 2013

As for summer in the Northern Hemisphere it was 56 degrees in Superior, WI today, July 26, 2013. Supposedly the hottest time of the year for this area (last week of July and 1st two weeks of August)  I know one day or one year does not make a statement for the climate but it was one of the coldest summer days I can remember. I have never had a winter jacket in the summer on but today I did with the wind coming off of the largest freshwater lake in the world, Superior.  (largest in surface area). It is cold and has been all year minus one really hot week earlier in the month.

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By PanicHandler (Minneapolis, MN)
on July 27th, 2013

Alarm, man.  Panic is where it’s at.  We are just like all gonna die, man.  Oh wow… tell me more about anthropogenic global warming, dude that is such a trip.

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By Daniel Kellis (12220)
on July 27th, 2013

The White Witch’s dwarves say, “This isn’t a thaw. This is spring.”

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By Bill Jamison (San Diego)
on July 27th, 2013

I just want to thank you for fact checking this and educating people. Amazing how many places have posted the claim that it’s at the North Pole without bothering to verify the location. Not only did you verify the location you also noted that it’s not unusual for melt water ponds to form in the summer.

Kudos!

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By Expat
on July 27th, 2013

Another factor conspicuously absent from the warmist assessments is the increase of volcanic activity, worldwide. Undersea thermal vents are not uncommon.

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By equalizer (dallas/tx/75227)
on July 27th, 2013

Will they relax in December when that’s all ice again?

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By SharpShtik
on July 27th, 2013

“Global warming,” like so many other fabricated “crises” is but a means to a socialist end.  It’s an excuse to redistribute wealth; nothing more, which is why the “solution” proposed is more wealth redistribution.  The only “solution” ever proposed for every fabricated “crisis” is more wealth redistribution.

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By George Semper fi (23185-6529)
on July 27th, 2013

Do a search on “Polar caps on Mars melting”, read a few selections. By the way,have our RV’s there detected any SUVs or excessive human activuty ? Sheeeech.

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By HML (39475)
on July 27th, 2013

Well he did say the oceans would slow their rise and the earth would begin to heal if he was elected….........LOL

By GottaBe
on July 26th, 2013

No sure how but I am guessing this is Obama’s fault.

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By Penny Melko (Tehachapi, C 93561)
on July 27th, 2013

Al Gore’s documentary was based on the work of a man called Charles Keeling - Keeling curve. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/22/science/earth/22carbon.html/?pagewanted=all&_r=0

I’m not a scientist and obviously none of you are either. If you have a toothache do you hire a carpenter to fix the problem or an oil driller? What if we all accept that we’re the ones polluting our atmosphere, killing our ocean, poisoning our food sources. If we eliminate all the pollutants, return our Crown Jewel of the entire galaxy to pristine and act as stewards over the planet, then find that the planet returns back to what scientists establish is back to normal. What harm will it do? What is the harm if they turn out to be wrong? At the most basic level we will clean up all the pollution that is causing us cancer, kids under 5 years from getting juvenile diabetes, juvenile leukemias and asthma caused by diesel fuel, autism from coal mercury, rid the planet of hormone laden meat and pesticides flowing into our fresh drinking water.

Our lives aren’t a never ending party or a rehersal. We each get one shot at life.

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By Jack Ziegler (Barryville, NY 12719)
on July 27th, 2013

This reads like a meeting of the Flat Earth Society. I’m sorry to disappoint you folks but the Earth is round, and it is warming at an alarming rate. When 97% of the climate scientists agree, it’s time to stop the silly denials and accept the fact that Global Warming is happening. Arctic sea ice is melting, Greenland is melting, and the sea levels are rising. It is simple science, and it should not be a political issue.

It has only become political because the extreme right denies science. At one time conservative “thinkers” would put individuals to death for teaching that the world is round. Science represents change and conservatives are afraid of change. They want to maintain the status-quo. That fear of change is complicated by the fear that dealing with GW will cost money. We all know our country is broke, we can hardly subsidize the big oil companies by providing corporate welfare.

Saying that Global Warming is a hoax must give you some comfort, at the same time you are destroying the Earth for future generations. It is so sad to see so many people with their heads up the asses.

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By Hal McCombs (Jasper Al 35503)
on July 27th, 2013

Back in 1982, I was part of a re-fueling mission to some little scientific encampment (sorry, can’t remember too many details - there were lots of these excursions all over the Arctic).  There was a diesel spill (a few hundred gallons) which we were required to clean up.  Which we did, skimming it off the surface of the melt lake by the tank farm.  The melt lake was about a foot deep, and looked just like the picture in the article.  It would nearly re-freeze at “night”, and the nerds at the station told me it would only be there for a couple of weeks in high summer.  Just like the year before.  And likely every so often for millennia before that.

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By Lisa Quigley-Moon (Tulsa, Oklahoma 74137)
on July 27th, 2013

Nothing to see here, move along

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By Hank
on July 27th, 2013

Wow, you guys got comment spammed!
I was going to write to say “good job!” on this one for not going all ‘alarmist’ on us.
Kudos for that Climate Central,

H.

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By Steve
on July 27th, 2013

Waste of time and alarmist in nature for no reason. And still uses the socialist “global warming/climate change” buzzwords, therefore discountable from the beginning as drivel. But the video was pretty cool. I was waiting for a polar bear or something…

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By calhoun211 (lapeer mi 48446)
on July 27th, 2013

Its never happened before, never ever never happened.. We know this because a group of ” Climate change experts” who if they don’t cry wolf might lose the funding they suck from the taxpayers. Six billion years and now and only now have we seen this. Only progressives would believe this crap.

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By Oliver K. Manuel (Cape Girrardeau/MO/63701)
on July 27th, 2013

I no longer trust those who gave misinformation on CO2 induced global warming.

Oliver K. Manuel
Former NASA Principal
Investigator for Apollo

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By An Inquirer
on July 27th, 2013

I do believe that it is likely that “soot” primarily from China has added to summer melt in recent years.

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By AliVonGoldberg (92649)
on July 27th, 2013

THE SKY IS FALLING!  THE SKY IS FALLING!  No, wait….THE EARTH IS MELTING!  THE EARTH IS MELTING!

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By Stan (USA)
on July 27th, 2013

Key words to note: You’ll also note that sea ice is no where near the record lows of the early 1970s. The occurrence of a melt pond at or near the North Pole is “just not that unusual,” Serreze said, and is even less rare at a more southern location such as where the camera is now.

We will have a test on this later so you better pick up on the facts.

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By IMPEACHOBAMA
on July 27th, 2013

It’s called SUMMER! LMAO

NEWS FLASH

No worries, God Almighty has control of His universe.

Of course, if you’re one of those agnostic scientists, you have more than “global warming” to worry about. BIG SMILE

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By dartley
on July 27th, 2013

climate change is not settled science; it’s a cause with devotees who will explain away any contradictions, i.e. north pole melt is global warming, but south pole expanding ice is also global warming due to cold water plumes- and when temps hold steady for decades is it simple variation? no, it’s global warming ‘paused’; try the toronto sun article where a pioneer of the idea, james lovelock, now calls a lot of the science ‘green drivel’

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By Prove_It Steve (Missouri City/TX/77459)
on July 27th, 2013

How was it a thousand years ago?  Ten thousand years ago?  You really believe this hasn’t happened before during the summer in earth’s history?  Grow up!  Worry more about unfriendly nations claiming sovereignty over the Artic.  Stop wasting time and money on these manufactured crises.

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By Paladin (Hernando, MS 38632)
on July 27th, 2013

Wish we had photographs from 1000AD…

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By Matt (Marietta/GA/30062)
on July 27th, 2013

Really???  “the precipitous decline in sea ice cover in recent decades due in large part to global warming”...that’s a MASSIVE assumption you just tossed in as factual.  Now this story = fantasy.  Great reporting.

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By Pokenhorn (Flint, MI 48506)
on July 27th, 2013

The press has established that it is corrupt and corruptible. Nothing they say should be accepted as fact. The proponents of the global warming theory are trying to secure for themselves tax revenues into eternity. Fearful people, or people in a panic, can be manipulated very easily. If this fraud can be made to fly, the Democrat Left will be on Easy Street.

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By Stan
on July 27th, 2013

Yawn, there are pictures of open water at the North Pole taken in 1912.
More BS in the media.

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By Charles
on July 27th, 2013

Yawn,

Another global warning fairy tale.

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By Alex (Portland, oregon, 97080)
on July 27th, 2013

I saw a photo of the USS Nautilus(1st atomic sub) sitting in open sea at the North Pole.  That was a photo from 1959.  So open sea’s at the pole is not unusal

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By Eagle1124 (Springboro/OH/45066)
on July 27th, 2013

It would be so nice if Mr. Freedman were a little less biased in his article.  Article after article appears in the news media about the shrinking North Pole ice cap but not a whimper about the record setting ice growth and expansion in the Antarctic.  The amount of ice in the Antarctic exceeded all previous ice records for the previous 33 years.  Why isn’t the media talking about how cold it is at the opposite end of the planet?  Because it doesn’t fit their agenda and Mr. Freedman is no exception.  Let’s just face it that we humans don’t fully understand why some regions of the earth seem to be experiencing a warming trend while others are experiencing colder than usual temperatures.  Additionally, I fail to see why we the people should invest millions and billions of dollars trying to prevent something like climate change (aka global warming a few years ago) until we understand it better.  It’s just another scam to wrest more money and power from the average working people of America.

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By SouthTexas (Woodsboro/Texas78393)
on July 27th, 2013

On the “Deadliest Catch”,  Discovery Channel, last year showed the opeliio crab season shut down because ice covered the Bering Sea.  Most of the crabbers actually left for a month, but don’t let actual facts get in the way of your agenda.

If there was so much real concern over this, Russia, China, India, and numerous other “contributors” would need to be policed, but that is not going to happen, it’s all OUR fault.  Temps are still down from the highs several years ago, just more of the “inconvenient facts”.

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By pearly baker (hattiesburg ms 39402)
on July 27th, 2013

I call bull****.  “Climate change aka global warming aka AGW”  is false “science” that is far from settled.  Its all about power and control and money.  The green crowd who are down with the NWO are definitely ok with governments stealing our hard earned money thru redistributive taxes, which results in power and control for them.  Its all about control people.

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By Ken Carter (Traverse City, MI 49685)
on July 27th, 2013

Global warming is a fact, as the shrinking ice caps and melting of glaciers throughout the world indicate. The problem is—many scientists are quick to blame Americans and other industrialized countries for increasing the levels of CO₂ in the atmosphere by burning coal at power plants and by operating automobiles, but they NEVER mention the fact that Brazil and other countries in the tropics have DECIMATED THE TROPICAL RAINFORESTS of the world by clear cutting them over the past 20 years, and have burned much of the fallen timber. Even casual viewing of NASA TV coverage during construction of the International Space Station over the years has clearly shown an immense plume of smoke from this burning—and this smoke plume has obscured the entire Amazon basin for years. In addition—a majority of the world’s population still burns FIREWOOD to heat their homes and to cook, and this has a lot to do with global warming as well. I believe the reason scientists are blaming America for the problem is because they know the American people are too stupid to understand the true source of the problem, and are gullible enough to fork over their tax dollars to pay for the cleanup even though we have very little to do with creating it.

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By Susan Anderson (Boston)
on July 27th, 2013

Sadly, your comment section has been highjacked by a bunch of deadenders with nothing to add except hatred of information.  No doubt somebody promoted this attack.

Suggest any interested readers stick to the substance of the article.  Andrew Freedman has provided a rational and reasonable response to the hype about north pole melt, and it is not difficult to look at the big picture, say at NSIDC, or if you like more detail and speculation, at Neven’s Sea Ice blog.  Openness and honesty requires that we take a look at all the information and not just trot out talking points galore which on further investigation turn out not to say what you think they do.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

Thanks for the update on that webcam, that’s very interesting.

I am not clear as to why it’s so important to shut down and prevent conversation that takes a look at the whole.  These zombies seem surprisingly incurious about the little sound bytes they promote and what’s behind them.

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By Chip Cucamunga (NY)
on July 27th, 2013

Wait a minute! Ice melts in the summer? How is that possible? And if ice melts, everyone knows the world will end.
obbamma, SAVE US!

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By Ryk Lee (Elma)
on July 27th, 2013

“It’s going to be hotter this Summer than it has been all year” quote by Al Gore

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By Susan Anderson
on July 27th, 2013

What *is* interesting is the way the heat dome in northern Siberia and outpourings of a warmish River Ob coming out over that huge shallow estuary might interact with the slushy patch at the north pole.  In fact, there are clear pictures of the patchy area so there’s no need to even think about the webcam in this context.  Will that warm incursion push far enough to meet up with the pole?

Reasonable people are able to wait and watch, those records are available and if you take a closer look you will see just what they say - not what you’d like them to say.  Single event exceptions to overall trends are inadequate to unmake the trend.

“For amusement, I made a little animation of the DMI sea ice maps for August, 1920-1939, here:”
http://gergs.net/2013/07/more-northern-sea-ice/
“BTW, the historical sea ice data compilation plotted at Cryosphere Today appears to be from Walsh and Chapman at NCAR.”

That animation of these old maps make the position quite clear; they are now aggregated here:
http://nsidc.org/data/docs/noaa/g02203-dmi/

(The quote is from a commenter at RealClimate who looked for evidence, which this undoubtedly is.)

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By twan jim
on July 27th, 2013

Uh Huh, it’s all about a global tax and resource rationing.

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By Bubba Smith (Pittsburg, CA 94565)
on July 27th, 2013

Still can’t figure out how glaciers melted millions a years ago from Yosemite

Maybe it is called environment and it changes all the time and man can not do a thing about it

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By Kevin (City/State/Zip:)
on July 27th, 2013

A lot of people don’t know this, but the actual North Pole melted in the 1950s and they suspect it also melted in the 1930s.  No one was there to check it out though.

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By Stephen Boone (Garland, TX,75044)
on July 27th, 2013

The North Pole has been open water during the summer for 100 years that we know for certain.  That is why people trying to reach it always go during winter and why in the 1950’s me third grade “Weekly Reader” showed pictures of the Atomic Sub Nautilus surfacing there IN OPEN WATER.  Stop playing on people’s ignorance of science.

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By Mike (Rapid City/SD/57701)
on July 27th, 2013

Just wait til the camera moves further south into the Carribean! That will definately prove that ice melts!

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By monday
on July 27th, 2013

lol we’ll have all of you to thank while the world ends

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By Ericzipp (Riesel tx 76642)
on July 27th, 2013

Sunshine 24/7 is melting ice? No way!! We all know the UN has declared that the sun does not have an effect on the weather and temperatures.

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By Troy (Richland, WA 99352)
on July 27th, 2013

People writing these articles need to follow the rules of science. You need to be stating “believed by some to be due to global warming. It is unprofessional to just blatantly state “due to global warming”.

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By Dave
on July 27th, 2013

I hate cold weather.

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By HL Mencken (Baltimore, MD 30303)
on July 27th, 2013

FOR THE RECORD:

USS Skate (SSN-578) made submarine history on 11 August 1958 when it became the first submarine to surface at the North Pole.

USS Skate (SSN-578) hung below the Arctic ice like a matchstick suspended an inch from the ceiling of a large room. A knot of sailors in the control room stared intently at an instrument inscribing patterns of parallel lines on a rolling paper tape. The pattern looked like an upside down mountain range.

“Heavy ice, ten feet,” said one of the sailors.

Suddenly the lines converged into a single narrow bar. “Clear water!” the sailor called out.

Commander James Calvert, the skipper, studied the marks on the paper closely. He stopped the submarine, ordered “up periscope,” and peered into the eyepiece. The clarity of the water and the amount of light startled him. At this same depth in the Atlantic—180 feet—the water was black or dark green at best, but here in the Arctic, it was pale blue like the tropical waters off the Bahamas. The crew laughed nervously as Calvert reported seeing nothing but a jellyfish.

Calvert turned toward the man in charge of the ice-detecting instrument. “How does it look?” The sailor flashed him the okay sign.

“Bring her up slowly,” Calvert said. The three-thousand ton sub began drifting upward like a giant balloon. The diving officer called the depth as the Skate rose.

Otherwise the room was deathly quiet. A wrong move or a miscalculation would endanger the mission or even the ship. Calvert continued to peer through the eyepiece. When the top of the periscope came within sixty feet of the surface, he spotted heavy ice to the side. He flipped the prism to look straight up, but saw nothing except the same blurred aquamarine. Sweat appeared on his forehead as he felt all eyes in the control room bear down upon him. If the sub rose too slowly, it could drift away from the opening. If it rose too quickly and struck ice, the collision could tear open the pressure hull and send the sub and all ninety men on board to the bottom.

Calvert, one of the most decorated naval officers of World War II, had survived eight war patrols in the submarine Jack external link and later became the third naval officer selected by Admiral Hyman Rickover to command a nuclear powered submarine. It was one of the Navy’s most demanding jobs, for it required the intellect and the courage to operate the Navy’s most sophisticated and dangerous propulsion system. This success of this mission would help Navy planners determine whether submarines could navigate safely under Arctic ice, a question with grave implications for national security, given the emerging Soviet submarine threat.

Calvert ordered the ballast tanks blown. The roar of high pressure air seemed earsplitting after the tense silence of the last few minutes. Upon surfacing, Calvert ordered the hatch opened, then climbed up to the bridge. The sky was slightly overcast and the damp air felt like an unseasonably warm February day in New England, with the temperature hovering near freezing. The submarine’s black hull stood out in stark relief against the deep blue of the calm lake in which the ship now floated. Beyond the lake, stretching to the horizon in every direction, was the stark white of the permanent polar ice pack. The officer who had climbed to the bridge with Calvert called the skipper’s attention to the port side of the ship. There a full grown polar bear was climbing slowly out of the water and up onto the ice.

The date was 11 August 1958 and the Skate had just become the first submarine to surface at the North Pole.

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By JAB (Hollywood /FL/33027)
on July 27th, 2013

It’s the sunspots.  They have 10-12 year cycles and they’re on Low right now.  When they pickup again soon, prepare: 
Take it easy; take it easy; don’t let the sound of your own wheels drive you crazy..

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By Arty
on July 27th, 2013

OMG.. here we go again… the sky is falling the sky is falling… (and by the way, pass some more grant money).

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By Billyboy (East Longmeadow, Ma 01028)
on July 27th, 2013

Pure baloney.  Artic ice is dynamic.  Last winter Alaska had its coldest winter ever.  England Froze.  Eastern Erope was coldest ever.  This weather station must measure temperature.  So Lets see you show a graph of artic temps going back.  Hint Summer 24 hour sunlight causes melting.  Winter 24 hour darkness brings 70 below zero and highter temps.   

Ice caps break up, move.  Alaska crab fishermen discovered artic break up ice had complete plugged the barring straight. 

Perry found that the ice cap moved up to 5 miles a day.  He used sextant into a pool of mercury and had to hold his breath or ice would form on the mercury.  There was no nautical horizon.  Just jagged ice.  Despite this he was able to locate a position within 5 to 10 miles of the pole.  the return trip was dangerous because of constant leads that opened and closed.  He left igloos and supply stations for the return trip. 

War planes that crashed on Greenland Glacier during WWII were found 255 deep 60 years later.  Proof that glacier is growing. 
South pole station had to be abandoned.  Reason?  It was buried under ice.  New Station is built on stilts to forgo the day that it too will be buried under ice. 

What happened to Ozone?  The world was supposed to end.  Ozone is produced by UV light at about 80 thousand feet.  No ozone?  Hint it is dark down there 6 months a year or longer. 

Running out of grant money by global cooling?  Change it to climate change to get more grants.

Want to see the data.  Not a pretty little melt pond.

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By Arty
on July 27th, 2013

It’s called S-U-M-M-E-R.  Good grief.

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By a p garcia (san benito, texas 78586)
on July 27th, 2013

Best news yet, now freighters can plow the seas of the north pole without fear of hitting an iceberg and sinking. It will dramatically cut the shipping costs to Russia and Scanivian countries as well as cut the shipping costs because of the shortcut.  All of this is worth Santa Claus having to find a new home.

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By Pappadave (Oklahoma City, OK 73170)
on July 27th, 2013

Just as always, the left uses the “green” movement to advance its own agenda…destruction of the U.S. economy and the outright theft of more and more taxpayer money to finance idiotic nonsense.  First of all, 97% of all climate scientists depend on government or far-left “foundation’s” grants for their very existence.  What do you THINK they’d say if asked about man-made “climate change?”  “It’s all a hoax.  Quit sending me money?”

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By Pete (Beverly Hills, CA 90212)
on July 27th, 2013

...........Study finds Arctic seabed afire with lava-spewing volcanoes


The Arctic seabed is as explosive geologically as it is politically judging by the “fountains” of gas and molten lava that have been blasting out of underwater volcanoes near the North Pole.


By Canwest News Service June 25, 2008 .........

2+2 = What?

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By atrain (Atlanta, GA 30022)
on July 27th, 2013

We are still melting from the last ice age.  Are the climate alarmists saying this thaw is different from the many previous ice ages?  The ice caps were doing the same thing back then and were few to no humans back in those days.

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By Pete (Beverly Hills, CA 90212)
on July 27th, 2013

.........The 1,800-kilometre-long ridge, which cuts across the Arctic from Greenland to Siberia, is in international waters. It is one of the planet’s “spreading” ridges where molten rock rises up from inside the earth creating new crust….........

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By William Hoy (Bailey, CO 80421)
on July 27th, 2013

Please. Our subs have been surfacing at the north pole for decades sometimes crashing through several feet of ice to do so.

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By Political Hostage (Jacksonville, FL)
on July 27th, 2013

Paragraph 6 says it all.

“The second thing to keep in mind is that melting sea ice at or near the North Pole is actually not a rare event.”

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By Ter
on July 27th, 2013

Wow. It’s summer.

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By John C (New York, new york)
on July 27th, 2013

What a joke, in other places the ice sheets are increasing in size/ thickness. It is summer and you due have melts in the summer. All of this is cyclical, it has happened many times over the centuries, it has to due with many factors, including Sun Spot activity. Global warming is one of the least scientific hoaxes that have been perpetrated on mankind. It’s about controlling people and Lots and lots of grant money. These so called “Scientists” are a disgrace to the profession, forgoing many facts, disregarding the scientific method and making up false data in order to get grant money. They are the equivalent of the old medicine show men selling their bogus tonic to people will to be scammed out of their money.

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By Dung Ims Eel (Florida)
on July 27th, 2013

Even if the camera drifted to the coast of Southern California, it would still be proof of man made global warming for such the church of progressive/secular humanism teaches and such dogma may not be challenged. Dear Obama Leader has spoken and of an Obamatruth all must be…

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By Chuck
on July 27th, 2013

Wow! Who moderates this thread? I’ve never seen so many sock puppet accounts and drivel from the Koch Brothers posted in one location. It’s called “Physics.” CO2 traps heat. Michael Mann is now suing for defamation because his “Hockey Stick” temperature graph has been vindicated and proven accurate via PEER REVIEW from the scientific community. Anyone who can’t perform the simple task of LOOKING AT SATELLITE IMAGES to see that the Arctic is/has melted probably has their shoes tied together. Quit drooling all over your computer and LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/10/24/1079601/climate-scientist-michael-mann-sues-the-national-review-and-competitive-enterprise-institute-for-defamation/

1000 years ago there were very few humans on the planet. You grow up Prove-It Steve. Not to mention you live in Texas. Duh! You can’t even elect a competent Governor.

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By Russell R. Andrews (Denver)
on July 27th, 2013

I think it’s the arrogant invocation of an unproven theory as though all debate has ended.  As Billings, Mt, says, wow, all this melting without warming in the last decade must be proof of Global Warming.  The logic is inescapable.

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By Dave (CA)
on July 27th, 2013

The only records of long term data tell us climate change is cyclical. Using 10-15 year, or even 50-100 year time frames as a sample size is nothing more than pure politics, definitely not science. Seriously, we learned about sample size in 8th grade science class and nothing has changed since then except politics and their financial persuasion on science . . . .but for those worried about the ice cap meltdown, I have “good news”. The elephant in the room is not climate change, it’s nuclear holocaust, and when that happens there will be plenty of ice everywhere because Earth won’t see the sun for many years.

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By Andy (11545)
on July 27th, 2013

Why do you think Greenland was named Greenland?

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By John Cressy (Exeter/NH/03833)
on July 27th, 2013

There are no Penguins at the North Pole. The Coke ads are for the uneducated masses of low information voters. It would be like saying we can’t drill for oil up north because we might harm the penguins.

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By Douglas Maher (Red Oak/Tx)
on July 27th, 2013

Thanks so much for posting this article. I really needed a laugh today.

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By Doug in Jax (Jacksonville, FL 32210)
on July 27th, 2013

An alarmist headline, followed by citing global warming concerns, and then a “nothing to see here” article, pointing out that there is absolutely nothing of note.

But this article will serve one purpose, it will be logged by the Algore gang of pop-science agitprop, as another data point supporting “a concensus” on climate change.

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By Who is Ed Snowden? (High-Point, NC, 27282)
on July 27th, 2013

How much money and fuel (carbon) will be saved by shipping navigating the northern seas?  If the Earth is warming—once again—is a longer growing season a bad thing?  Climate change is not all bad, warming and cooling has happened before.  But when you have a socialist agenda to further, it is all bad.

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By George
on July 27th, 2013

I wonder if we will ever read an article titled “Antarctic Sea Ice Growth, how bad is?”

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By John Bilsky (18470)
on July 27th, 2013

OK for starters I am NOT a Libtard; I strongly support the Constitution especially the 2nd Amendment and have a mixture of Conservative & Libertarian views.  By training I am a science teacher and understand the scientific method.  Unless your life is immersed in science you probably don’t understand it. 

All the deniers who have posted here obviously don’t fully understand what climate change is all about and I don’t have the time or patience to write enough to satisfy your need for an easy & instant answer to all your objections.  I will say this much, AGW is real and it is happening now. Keep reading.  There is plenty of sound evidence to explain why the poles are behaving like they are and a good portion of the evidence depends on the geography of the planet.  Most of the land mass just happens to be in the northern hemisphere.  The issue is complicated for sure and damn scary.  The Liberals want to “fix” the situation by taxing etc.  That’s what the bastards do. They tax and push a socialist agenda.  Guess what.  We have past the tipping point and I promise you that if you live another 10 years, you WILL see an Arctic free of ice in the summer.  This will change (and is currently changing) the Hadley Cell & Ferrel Cell circulation patterns in the northern hemisphere.  This doesn’t have to happen in the southern hemisphere so the South Pole can behave differently.  Again.  Simple geography.  By the way, speaking of geography, the article said Fram Strait is between Greenland & Canada.  Epic Fail.  Wrong!  It’s between Greenland and Svalbard island. (go look it up if you don’t know where Svalbard Island is)  Accuracy does reflect credibility.  Climate change is not a hoax but it sure can come across as one when those in “power” attempt to make money off of it.  As I said, we are past the tipping point. Feedback mechanisms are already kicking in and there will be no stopping what’s happening unless we cut our use of fossil fuels by 90% and that ain’t gonna happen.  Global CO2 levels have hit 400 PPM and that hasn’t happened in millions of years and the level continues to rise.  In my lifetime humans have destroyed around half of the world’s rain forests.  So much for trees removing CO2.  Coral reefs are dying all over the world due to acidification of the oceans.  CO2 + H2O create carbonic acid.  I have also witnessed the population of world more than double. The big picture evidence is there.  Denying the facts is easy and it’s convenient but it won’t make them go away.  If all you deniers aren’t heavily into your own personal food security… gardens & guns… you’re going to get a nasty surprise within the next decade.  Remember, if you jump from an airplane blindfolded, after you reach terminal velocity everything seems to be just fine. Life is good. You won’t know where you are or how bad things are going to be until you smack the ground.  Then it’s too late to pull the ripcord.  Take off that denier blindfold before it’s too late.  Your kids will thank you later for prepping now.

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By Bill (Michigan/Michigan/48101)
on July 27th, 2013

Hey Matt Maschinot, you are a fool. US submarines routinly surface at the north pole. Been doing it since the 60’s. Watch Stargate Continuum to see it for yourself. It’s just like a typical liberal to take one piece of data and jump to a conclusion that has nothing to do with anything. In fact watch the featurette about making SG Continuum and notice what it’s like near the pole, how cold it really is. But your not as misinformed as Jack Ziegler who blathers on about “settled science” and so forth. The Titanic struck an iceberg in April 1912. Who was this possible? Did the glacier begin melting and a piece break off before Al Gore discovered global warming? Or is it just a political means to an end?

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By climatehawk1 (Norwich/VT/05055)
on July 27th, 2013

Thanks for endeavoring to put the photo in context and provide accurate information about it. Ironic that the denier community selected this post as a target for the usual crapola, but I guess that is the way it goes. Readers who are looking for accurate updated info on arctic sea ice, and who have read this far (I know there are few of you, and I don’t blame you) can find it here: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/arctic.sea.ice.interactive.html . The Arctic Sea Ice blog is also an excellent resource, though very wonky: http://neven1.typepad.com/blog/ .

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By temp
on July 27th, 2013

By Jack Ziegler (Barryville, NY 12719)
on July 27th, 2013

“This reads like a meeting of the Flat Earth Society. I’m sorry to disappoint you folks but the Earth is round, and it is warming at an alarming rate. When 97% of the climate scientists agree, it’s time to stop the silly denials and accept the fact that Global Warming is happening. Arctic sea ice is melting, Greenland is melting, and the sea levels are rising. It is simple science, and it should not be a political issue.

It has only become political because the extreme right denies science. At one time conservative “thinkers” would put individuals to death for teaching that the world is round. Science represents change and conservatives are afraid of change. They want to maintain the status-quo. That fear of change is complicated by the fear that dealing with GW will cost money. We all know our country is broke, we can hardly subsidize the big oil companies by providing corporate welfare.

Saying that Global Warming is a hoax must give you some comfort, at the same time you are destroying the Earth for future generations. It is so sad to see so many people with their heads up the asses.”

Comments like this never stop amazing me at the sheer ignorance of science and reality.

First you talk about the “flat earth” then you talk about the 97% “consensus”. You seem to forget that the 99.9% consensus was that the earth was flat…the consensus was so strong that the earth was flat that they jailed people for not believing it. People like jack@ass here pray for that time again when the “consensus” can just jail and even execute people solely because they don’t “believe”.

Anyone with even a middle school education in science knows that crying “consensus” is a logical fallacy and should be discounted as having any value. On the other hand “consensus” arguments are great propaganda designed to puff up the most ignorant, irrational and stupid among us. Be it the earth is flat, blacks aren’t human(a favorite argument of harvard) or jews being thrown in ovens. Consensus is there to backup these arguments.


The fact that the doomsday cult has put so much time into creating and promoting “consensus” tells anyone with even a basic understanding of science that they have zero science to backup the arguments they make. So they are desperate to prevent any debate on the topic because they know that they will lose. Instead censorship and outrageously retarded logical fallacies are the norm for they keep the “evil” sane people at bay.

 

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By Justin Tyme (Arlington, usa)
on July 27th, 2013

Yeah! Let’s get AlGore on this right away! He knows all about this global warming, aka climate change scam. It’s made him billions! Lol…lol…lol…

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By TJ (Hesperia, CA, 92345)
on July 27th, 2013

It’s nice that you’re accepting open comments. I’ve been watching so-called man made global warming since the 70’s when of course it was then called man made global cooling. This is by far the most obnoxious hoax I’ve ever experienced, thousands of well intentioned people have been suckered into this sham, total CO2 is less than 400 parts per 1,000,000…while all the time it’s our drinking water that’s being poisoned to a point that it’s killing us. The tricksters have you looking at the sky so they can pollute your waterways with little notice. They have you believing the ridiculous, while the obvious is right at your feet, literally!

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By Don't Drink the Kool-Aid (Salem/IN/47167)
on July 27th, 2013

@Jack Ziegler (Barryville, NY 12719)

“When 97% of the climate scientists agree, it’s time to stop the silly denials and accept the fact that Global Warming is happening.”

Who really gives a rat’s narrow backside if 97% percent of “scientists” agree? 

The vast majority of “scientists” who agree with this tripe receive taxpayer money to conduct their “research”.
If they don’t agree, they will lose their opportunity to slop at the taxpayer funded trough.

Global warming is about government largesse, paid to people too lazy (or too stupid) to get a real job—nothing more.

Unless you happen to get all of your information from those who believe Big Government is the answer to everything, it is astounding that you have not been able to root out all of the contradictions in this so-called “settled science”.

By the way genius, consensus is not science.

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By Clone 93483758 (02115)
on July 27th, 2013

hoax Global warming is a hoax Global warming is a hoax Global warming is a

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By X_Nuc (North Texas)
on July 27th, 2013

Flaherty (if that’s your real name), learn some science and find some facts and use your brain for something other than a hat rack.
Population growth - 1960’s - AHHHHHH!!!
New Ice Age - 1980’s - AHHHHHH!!!
Global Warming - 1990’s - AHHHHHH!!!
Climate Change - 2000’s - AHHHHHH!!!

I see a trend!

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By John (Florida)
on July 27th, 2013

The global warming self proclaimed experts(bc libs are usually the ones advancing this fraud and libs are never wrong in their lil minds) use every single change in weather or event to proclaim themselves correct on this matter…if it rains, if its too sunny, if we have a big hurricane etc all are due to global warming-bc never on earth has any of this happened bf 1930 or bf humans for that matter(sarcasm).  Of course these people leave out the facts, as some areas are indeed losing its ice cover, other areas are in fact colder and gaining ice cover…this type of fact is confidently left out when they talk about the earths demise due to human made global warming…thy don’t care that most of the “evidence” gathered by “scientists” has been either proven wrong or proven fraud-ie placing thermoters near things that will give a higher temp reading(bf you shout me down, this is a fact admitted being done)...they don’t care that some of the same things happening on earth that supposedly backs their ideas, is also happening on Mars…Did I miss something? Do we have capitalist planet hating republicans on Mars that I forgot about? How can something that is the fault of humans happening on a planet that doesn’t inhabit humans?  My point is, there is NO human made global warming happening on earth… As some areas get warmer and lose ice cover, other eras are gaining ice cover and getting colder…The US has been getting colder, close to 1 degree colder over the last decades-even though we’ve been told its getting warmer, but as I’ve seen liberals NEVER let facts get bw them and their agendas..The earth goes they natural changes, getting warmer and colder-ever heard of ice ages? I do believe that the earth is experiencing changes, but by no means is this the fault of 75 years of industry or humans…see mars- Global warming is just another vehicle the left can use to advance their Marxist agendas in order to tame or destroy capitalism which is a form of freedom which liberals can’t accept(mainly bc they are weak ass humans who have no personal responsibility and can’t take care of themselves). It’s just another way they can steal the wealth of the United States ....these people won’t ever stop and when every single event that happens on earth can be blamed on human made global warming, they will use every event to blame the US for being selfish and using all the worlds resources….the communists had to go somewhere after the fall of the USSR, they found homes in the EPA among other areas(now the White House) and have turned the EPA into the communist America freedom hating organization it is today….uh oh, I just felt a breeze, must be due to global warming-guess I need to be taxed now….tell Gore to go give another global warming speech in a blizzard -that always makes me laugh.

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By Skitt (Phoenix, AZ 85050)
on July 27th, 2013

@ Penny Melko - Nice to see a post from someone with some actual common sense. It’s very rare. Thanks!

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By john inlongmont (longmont/co/80501)
on July 27th, 2013

oh no!...we’re all going to DIE—AGAIN!! (not)

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By bill gar
on July 27th, 2013

if all the ice were to melt the sea level would drop.  If you studied chemisrtry/physics or just put a glass jar filled with water you would know that when water freezes it expands something around 5%. All the hand wringing about global warming causing the sea to rise is just more BS and ignorance

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By john piccirilli (walpole,ma.02081)
on July 27th, 2013

Hey jack from ny, we sceptics are destroying the earth? 1.agw is a con, get the facts. 2. Wind farms on mountain tops are a good thing? Carbon taxes? Co2 is natural. It is only 3% of ghg of which .5% is man made. We have been misinformed about gw. The ipcc is a joke. obama is going to ruin this country if he has his way.

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By john piccirilli (walpole ma. 02081)
on July 27th, 2013

Is that the real charlie sheen ? Great post anyhow. Good to see not everyone in hollywood is nuts.

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By Padams (Adelaide, Australia)
on July 27th, 2013

If the North Pole has melted, we should see a 6 - 7 inch increase in sea levels…NOT.

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By Fred (San Diego/CA/92054)
on July 27th, 2013

Gotta love the Republican sheep flocking here to comment at the behest of their leaders that climate change (and/or global warming) is a hoax. Go gather your own data people; turn off Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, or whoever you take your talking points from and read! WAKE UP!!

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By David Robbins (San Luis Obispo, CA 93405)
on July 28th, 2013

I don’t hear the words “climate change”. I never heard that scientists said that “global warming” was created by man, only that man is accelerating normal cycles by the never before seen releases of carbon into the atmosphere. More intense and frequent weather events(hurricanes, tornados, record heat and snowfalls, etc.). Irregardless of the naysayers of climate change, it is clear that air and water pollution from fossil fuel extraction (fracking and coal mining), combusted in transportation and power production are causing water shortages and human health problems(respiratory ailments, primarily).  Working on alternative energy will keep our energy resources in the USA(not subject to international trading and export, like oil), reduce the political tensions creating wars between nations with resources and those without. Solar, Wind and biomass, can build our manufacturing base, improve our farmers welfare and create jobs which the oil and coal lobby spread propaganda about the job losses created by shutting down oil wells and coal mines. And where is the authoritative research that funding for scientists will be reduced or eliminated with opposition to the climate change theory? That is taking the position that democrats control the decisions for these types of government support programs when last time I checked, the Republican obstruction machine won’t let anything the Democrats introduce pass through Congress. That statement is ignorant. If we press the green revolution forward, we may not stop the normal cycle of the earth every million years or so, but we can slow the acceleration of this phenomenon because of mankind’s use of fossil fuels. I want my ancestors to drink clean water and breathe clean air, don’t you? We have a lot to gain by acting and everything to lose by doing nothing.

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By Landbeyond (NA)
on July 28th, 2013

The accretion of denier material to this article appears too extreme to be a natural occurrence. The volume and consistency of the denier particles are so far outside the regularly occurring range that it seems safe to say that this is a man-made phenomenon. It is reasonable to speculate further that the ultimate source may be the subset of humanity popularly referred to “the one-percent”.
Given the above, the denier material can be dismissed by readers as being of no significance.

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By dp
on July 28th, 2013

A concise explanation of the melting north pole story can be found here: http://psc.apl.washington.edu/northpole/WebCams.html. The histrionics around the story are less easy to explain. It appears somebody is aware of the value of spreading ignorance.

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By Chuck Greene (Ithaca NY 14850)
on July 28th, 2013

Hi Andy:

Last time I was at an ice camp in Fram Strait, it was between Greenland and Svalbard, not Greenland and Canada. The Canadian Arctic Archipelago is between Greenland and Canada. Aside from that small geographical error, the rest of your article was quite illuminating. What I find remarkable is the long list of ignorant comments from climate change skeptics following your article. Some don’t seem to realize that the south pole is located on a continent rather than the ocean. Others seem relieved that melt pools have been common on the Arctic pack ice throughout recorded history and don’t seem the least bit concerned that the summertime minimum sea ice extent has dropped so dramatically in the years since 2007, hitting the record low last September. If their understanding of the science was deeper than just repeating incorrect Fox News talking points and finding new opportunities to bash Al Gore, then they might be concerned about the increasing evidence linking sea ice loss to mid-latitude weather extremes, including more intense summer droughts in the West and winter snow storms in the Middle Atlantic region. But, of course, they just attribute those extreme events to “it just being summer” or “it just being winter”...

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By flea (Brisbane/QLD/4503)
on July 28th, 2013

Well then..where is a more geographical accurate picture of North Pole?
And I still think it is still concerning that camera is floating away on what the original depositors thought was stable ice :(

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By Michael (Sweden)
on July 29th, 2013

Whether the ice is melting or not is not the big issue. CO2 ppm in the atomsphere has gone at a constant rate from 320 in 1958 to 400 today. The big problem here is that our oceans have absorbed even more. Acidification of the Oceans is not to be taken lightly. We can’t fix it and it’s destroys life on our planet Earth.

I feel that many here are americans that feel that their way of life has been attacked. Thats why they are so sceptic. It’s has very little todo with reasoning and much more about the emotional attachment to things we hold sacred according to Jonathan Haidt.

Even if their is no Climate change we can’t afford to take the risk.

How do you envision the world of your children to be like?

http://www.thersa.org/events/audio-and-past-events/2012/the-groupish-gene-hive-psychology-and-the-origins-of-morality-and-religion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification
http://co2now.org/

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By Haiku Funkplus (Arcata CA 95521)
on July 29th, 2013

I could be wrong, but I believe that this article contains false statements. The writer states that the cameras have moved since their initial placement at the north pole and now lie at around 85 degrees north. However, if one watches the time-lapse video, you can clearly see that the sun rises and sets in almost the exact location the entire length of the video. If the camera had been moving, rottion would have occured resulting in a change in the position of the sun relative to the camera view.

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By Ravenken (Westminster, MD)
on July 29th, 2013

Oh, rationalization… gotta love it… all ok, no need to get yourself worried about anything… go back to living life as normal… ignore the climate change…

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By kermit
on July 30th, 2013

Wow, this place really needs a good cleaning. With the Koch-paid bots and the anti-science loons, it’s impossible to have an adult conversation. Well, let me get my wading boots on and I’ll post a comment or two.
1. Anybody who mentions Al Gore should be immediately dismissed. Argumentum ad celebretum is not a substantial argument against any field of science.
2. The Earth is not getting cooler. The rate of surface temp increase has slowed, but not stopped. The rate of deep ocean increase has increased dramatically; the heat is going into the ocean. The next strong El Nino year will reacquaint you folks with warm summers. The rate of Earth’s overall warming continues to increase.
3. The extent and thickness of Arctic ice has decreased dramatically over the last 40 years. It should be pretty much melted away in September by 2015 or so. Actual scientists are quite alarmed by this.
4. The jet stream is a result of the temperature gradient between the equator and the Arctic. As the North Pole wars, the reduced gradient slows down the jet stream, which wanders all over, stalls, out, and even reverses itself. Hence the recent heat wave in Alaska, which had temperatures in the 80s north of the Arctic circle (as did Norway). Downwind of these heat pockets were torrential rainstorms in Calgary and central Europe.
5. The idea that climatologists are getting rich off of this is risible. Anyone who actually thinks that is not acquainted with the scientific community.
There’s much much more, all cites readily available, but (most of) you folks aren’t interested in learning, or you would know that already. Sigh. Well, I hope the Koch Brothers or their “think tank” are paying y’all well.

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By cglrcng (Kingman, AZ 86401)
on July 31st, 2013

Lies, lies and more lies…..Reading fully both the Wiki’s stated in other posts listed here as proof that the sea Ice at the North Pole was fully melted in the 1950’s, fully garnered the info “that neither US submarine Skate (SSN-578), nor Nautilus (SSN-571) ever actually broke the sea ice and surfaced at the North Pole”...Nautilus (SSN-571) was only positioned/traversed directly under the the Ice at the geographic North Pole….And Skate (SSN-578) broke through the Ice in many places in the Arctic on it’s mission, but it was fully listed that Skate “did not actually surface or break through the ice at the North Pole”, later in the same week that Nautilus (SSN-571) traversed under the same location of Sea Ice. When both traversed under that ice sheet in the very same week, the ice was present at the North Pole.

After reading both Wiki’s completely, one can clearly see that the Ice was not recorded at that time to be melted, but was ice, not liquid water.

Your “stated facts” are nothing but misinterpreted true facts or merely Bold Faced LIES trying to prove a fabricated point.

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By Brian Dodge (Hillsborough, NC, 27278)
on August 1st, 2013

If you go to http://www.woodfortrees.org/data/nsidc-seaice-s/from:1980.65/every:12/plot/nsidc-seaice-n/from:1980.65/every:12/ and download the data into a spreadsheet, the average for 1980.67 to 1985.67 versus 2007.67 to 2012.67 for the maximum Antarctic sea ice increases by 0.24 million km^2: that’s less than 1.3% and less than 1 times the average standard deviation. The minimum Arctic sea ice for the same periods falls by 2.76 million km^2, more than 10 times as much as the Antarctic increase, more than a 37% decline, and slightly more than six average standard deviations. Are you familiar with the term “six sigma”?
(BTW, by not detrending before calculating the SD, which is what I did, makes the SD artificially larger; more accurate calculations will make the numbers worse.  Don’t believe me? You do the math.)

That’s why people who actually know what they are talking about aren’t making a big deal about “record Antarctic sea ice”; it’s statistically insignificant.

Who told you that “since global temperatures have not risen in 12 years it’s hard to claim warming.” Rush Limbaugh?Tony Watts? Chris Monckton?
Look at http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/last:180/plot/uah/last:180/trend/plot/nsidc-seaice-n/from:1996.65/every:12/scale:0.1/offset:-0.5http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/last:180/plot/uah/last:180/trend/plot/nsidc-seaice-n/from:1996.65/every:12/scale:0.1/offset:-0.5 for a true picture.

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By BezorgdeBurger (Netherlands)
on August 1st, 2013

What’s up with that what we used to call polynya’s?

Wikipedia: Polynya

When submarines of the U.S. Navy made expeditions to the North Pole in the 1950s and 60s, there was a significant concern about surfacing through the thick pack ice of the Arctic Ocean. In 1962, both the USS Skate and USS Seadragon surfaced within the same, large polynya near the North Pole, for the first polar rendezvous of the U.S. Atlantic Fleet and the U.S. Pacific Fleet.

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By Ken Johnson (Sydney, Australia)
on August 1st, 2013

Susan Anderson, thank you for a fantastic animation!
Alex, AliVonGoldberg, Andy P, Anna Keppa, apb, azratt, bill berke, Bill Jamison, Bill Tronson, Bubba Smith, Bud, C2ShiniingC , Cal, calhoun211, Charles, Charlie Sheen, Chip Cucamunga, Daniel Kellis, dartley , Dave Norby, Debi Winge, Deborah Oliphant, Destructivepolitics, Disgusted, Dwight E. Howelld , Eagle1124, ED, equalizer, Eric, Eric Thatcher, Expat , Freemon Sandlewould, George Semper fi, GottaBe, Hal McCombs, HML, IMPEACHOBAMA , Ivan Drago , James Hogan, Jason, JBSPuddintane, JC, JOEL GOODMAN, JohnG911 , JP, kestrel27, Kevin, Lancers3, Leonard M. Urban, Lisa Quigley-Moon, ManOnPoint, Marc M , Mark, Mark DeGeorge, Matt, Matt Maschinot, Mike, Mike , Milo, Myron ?Wenner, Nick Shaw, Not gullible (USA), Ola auer, Oliver K. Manuel, ONTIME, Paladin, PanicHandler, Patrick O’Flaherty, pearly baker, Phil Ryder, Philistine, Phunky, Pokenhorn, Prove_It Steve, ron giamboi, Ryk Lee, senah, SharpShtik, Shredder, SouthTexas, Stan, Stephen Boone, Steve , temp, Thomas Austin, Tom, twan jim , Victor Laszlo , Weatherhappens and William Ripskull, thanks for nothing!

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By Ken Johnson
on August 2nd, 2013

Thank you Susan Anderson for that fantastic animation!

Thanks for nothing Alex, AliVonGoldberg, Andy P, Anna Keppa, apb, azratt, bill berke, Bill Jamison, Bill Tronson, Bubba Smith, Bud, C2ShiniingC , Cal, calhoun211, Charles, Charlie Sheen, Chip Cucamunga, Daniel Kellis, dartley , Dave Norby, Debi Winge, Deborah Oliphant, Destructivepolitics, Disgusted, Dwight E. Howelld , Eagle1124, ED, equalizer, Eric, Eric Thatcher, Expat , Freemon Sandlewould, George Semper fi, GottaBe, Hal McCombs, HML, IMPEACHOBAMA , Ivan Drago , James Hogan, Jason, JBSPuddintane, JC, JOEL GOODMAN, JohnG911 , JP, kestrel27, Kevin, Lancers3, Leonard M. Urban, Lisa Quigley-Moon, ManOnPoint, Marc M , Mark, Mark DeGeorge, Matt, Matt Maschinot, Mike, Mike , Milo, Myron ?Wenner, Nick Shaw, Not gullible (USA), Ola auer, Oliver K. Manuel, ONTIME, Paladin, PanicHandler, Patrick O’Flaherty, pearly baker, Phil Ryder, Philistine, Phunky, Pokenhorn, Prove_It Steve, ron giamboi, Ryk Lee, senah, SharpShtik, Shredder, SouthTexas, Stan, Stephen Boone, Steve , temp, Thomas Austin, Tom, twan jim , Victor Laszlo , Weatherhappens and William Ripskull!

Ken Johnson

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By Apogee (CA 95036)
on August 13th, 2013

Man-Made BTUs play a large role in Global Warming

Over the years I have been listening to the pros-and-cons and rhetoric about Global Warming and Climate Change. I refer to it as Climate Destabilization. However, there is one major missing aspect that is always overlooked in these ongoing discussions. There is one overall contributing factor for warming our planet that is never mentioned, discussed, or even realized by the bickering scientific community. This one thermo-dynamic fact is significant enough to change the minds of many non-believers.

This factoid is something I learned back in high school science class: the average-to-maximum efficiencies for most all thermal-cycle engines, (i.e. burns a fuel of any type) is between 25% and 30%. The rest of the fuel energy is lost as Heat. This specifically means that only about 27% of each gallon of gasoline goes into moving the vehicle. This also means about 73% of every gallon of gasoline is exhausted as Heat.
REPEAT: Roughly 3/4 of every gallon of gas used in the world is wasted as HEAT.

Chevron’s statisticians have estimated that Americans have used about 35 trillion barrels of oil over the last 100 years; the same black gold that took over a 65 million years to congeal into the sweet crude that we’ve mostly burnt up by now. For every 42 gallons to a barrel, 19 gallons are refined for gasoline, 10 gallons for diesel, and 4 gallons for jet fuels. This accounts for about 80% of each barrel of oil that is used for transportation in the US, and 3/4 of that is burnt up as pure Heat. This means that 60% of all fuel oil used has been heating our planet’s atmosphere directly; that’s 21 trillion barrels of oil cooked off in the U.S. alone as only Heat.

Each gallon of gas can produce about 114,000 BTU’s (British Thermal Units) equivalent to 1055 Joules, which is enough energy to raise one pound of water one degree Fahrenheit. Therefore, 8.34 BTU’s can raise one gallon of water one degree Fahrenheit. A few calculations indicate that approximately 4 x 10^18 BTU’s of Heat have been exhausted into the atmosphere over the last 100 years, and mostly in the last four decades. Over 4 million trillion BTU’s have been released underneath a global atmospheric blanket of CO2 and other greenhouse gases, which have also been caused by burning the same 35 trillion barrels of crude oil.

This double accumulation of both the blanketing effects of CO2 and massive amounts of wasted engine heat expended underneath the same has combined into an exponential effect, far more than just the extra CO2 and sunshine alone. This “human-created” waste Heat must be included in all atmospheric calculations and projections.

The waste Heat from the U.S. transportation sector alone is enough energy to raise 1.2 x 10^17 gallons of water 4 degrees. In other words, over a hundred thousand trillion gallons just melted, well over 1000 cubic miles of glacier ice worldwide. Moreover, this straightforward and simple calculation estimates only the burning of liquid fuels for U.S. transportation. This does not include the excess waste Heat from the burning of billions of tons of coal used extensively in both steel and electrical power production, as well as all the natural gas used in glass foundries, ship and bridge component welding, roof tarring and asphalt paving, and home heating & cooking.

These additional man-made heat sources could easily add up to be several times more than the waste heat of the transportation sector alone. And this estimate is just in the US; this estimate does not include the car and factory Heat exhausted from other countries that are becoming fully industrialized at a rapid rate.

Humankind’s impact on global warming is not so much in producing too much CO2, as much as Humankind is directly producing all of the Heat itself. Americans are directly responsible for burning 21 trillions barrels of oil as Heat being dispersed directly into our atmosphere over the last 100 years simply by driving cars. This global-wide heating is a direct consequence of burning these many fossil fuels for this long, while depleting just as much oxygen at the same time; -no science is needed here, only common sense.

There are so many easier ways to produce energy locally and commercially that do not use fossil fuels, coal, natural gas, or nuclear power. It is imperative that we as Humanity should take our last chance collective efforts to build comprehensive, sustainable, non-polluting, non-nuclear, non-combusting, non-heating energy systems and platforms worldwide. More importantly, we need to finish this worldwide renewable energy effort before we all run out of oil and don’t have enough energy, fresh water, or breathable atmosphere left to build the last few remaining renewable energy infrastructures we would need to barely survive. 
To be certain, we’ll never make it to Mars after that….


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Excerpts from the Apogee Chronicles

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By John Burgeson (lago vista texas 78645)
on August 15th, 2013

Just a note to some here. The REAL scientists hang out at www.RealClimate.org. It is there one can find factual information.

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By Brian (31326)
on October 28th, 2013

Well, they just discovered that the buoy moved 377 miles when this picture was taken. There is no hard evidence that global warming does exist… is it possible yes, but is it happening, most likely not. A zombie apocalypse will end the world before global warming does.

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By Steve (roxie/ms/39661)
on December 29th, 2013

It could be there was this thing called the Ice Age and from the time the Ice Age was over everything started melting…......;.(gasp)  I didnt even need 6 degrees to figure that one out….  I bet at one time most of everything was covered in ice….  You know that the whole global warming thing is just something to get grants.

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